My Favorite Characters Make Crappy Boyfriends

Is it sad to claim to be a feminist, and yet continually find myself most interested in comic book characters who treat women poorly?

I know I bash Hal a lot, but he's actually what got me started thinking about this today. Now, he's not really terrible to women. I think he has trouble understanding them and respecting their feelings -- but then Hal has that problem with everybody. I was not terribly impressed with how quickly he shacked up with Arisia, not because she was actually as young as she was (and I don't care how long it takes her planet to revolve around the sun -- she was very obviously the physical, mental, and emotional equivalent of a 14-year-old girl until she "grew up", whether Geoff Johns like it or not), but because he so quickly changed his mind. "No no, we can't" became, in like two seconds "Oh, you grew up. Cool, let's do it!"

But most of what bothers me about Hal is the way he carried on with Carol, especially how it's been portrayed most recently in the Secret Origin. On the surface, it's cute, and I even find myself thinking "Oh Hal, you adorable rascal!". And of course we know that Carol probably wants him, too (though I find myself wanting to argue that she was never really that into him). But he's just so damn arrogant about it that I know that, if a man were to behave that way around me in real life, I'd want to punch him in the face! And I don't care what kind of pussyfoot games you think you're playing -- when a woman tells you no, you back off. Particularly when that woman is your boss. I'm the manager of the groom shop where I work. And I suppose it might be different if you own your own company like Carol does/did, but where I work, sexual harrassment and workplace dating rules are a BIG DEAL. It's too easy for other employees to think you're playing favorites. It's too easy for messy breakups to happen -- and whether you like it or not, it's going to affect the way you treat each other. It's just a bad idea all around. Carol was trying to draw a line between her and Hal for a reason, and it's terribly disrespectful of him to completely ignore her wishes. Not to mention the fact that it makes things very hard for Carol, who is trying to keep a dying company afloat and doesn't need that extra stress at the workplace.

My favorite Marvel character is Hank Pym, and there's probably not a man in all of comicdom who has gotten more bad press for his treatment of women. He has this long, distinguished history, marred by mental illness, and no matter how many times writers try to portray him as recovering in a healthy way, along comes another writer who only remembers him as "Hank Pym, Professional Wife-Beating Psycho" who writes him that way again. Sound familiar? Because it's pretty similar to what happens to Guy all the time over at DC. Luckily for Guy, however, most of the time when people draw him with his old haircut and write him being super brain-damaged jerk, it's usually only for a short appearance or bit part in another book. For poor Hank, it's often the writer of whatever big book he happens to be appearing in, and they make a huge plot-point out of it! And it seems that every time the issue is addressed, the event itself gets blown more and more out of proportion. I could write a novel about why I love Hank and why I think the abuser label has been unfairly slapped on him, but I'll spare you. (For now.)

I'm also a fan of Quicksilver. Or at least I was, before his most recent foray into insanity. I actually think the failure of his and Crystal's marriage is as much her fault as it is his (man, did I cheer when Medusa called Crystal on her childishness in the latest issue of Inhumans!), and I think he loves his wife and daughter very much, but I can't deny that he has to be a hard man to live with. It's funny, though -- I imagine Pietro to be rather possessive and controlling, which are two very bad traits for a husband to have, but he hasn't actually been portrayed that way in regards to Crystal and Luna. She cheated on him because he was restless and preoccupied. Well, duh lady, he's a speedster. All your hot sexings aren't enough to keep him occupied 24-7 (even if Crystal's Love Shack is apparently open all those hours). Still, he's not exactly the sort of man that makes for good relationship material.

And of course I can scarcely go a post without talking about Guy. But in the interest of fairness, I have to bash him a little bit, too.

I sympathize with Bea a lot. Even though I think part of her problem is the fact that she's hot for Guy and Tora both, I know what it's like to be the friend of someone who insists on staying with a real loser boyfriend. And let's face it -- Guy treated Tora horribly. He used to be the sort of man that you do not want your best friend, sister, or anyone else hooking up with. He never hit her (nor do I think he ever would), but he certainly said some terrible things. Thigh cheese? Aside from being sort of a disgusting mental image, it's just mean to outright tell your girlfriend that you think she's got fat thighs. Particularly when it's not true and she's sort of a self-conscious woman to begin with! I can imagine Tora later, looking at herself in the mirror, wavering back and forth between "Oh... maybe I do have jiggly thighs!" to "No, wait, I don't!" while Bea sits there watching and trying to convince her that she looks great.

And then of course there's the time when Tora was feeling less than confident about her powers and what she brought to the team and was thinking of leaving. First Guy teases her about it (not too badly, but it was bad timing) and then after she hesitates in battle, he yells at her and tells her that yeah, she is useless. Ow. Just ow. It was a cruel thing to say any time, but it seemed that Guy had a knack back then for kicking her when she was down. He accidentally knocked her down the stairs. At least it was an accident, but still... you have to be a pretty self-centered jerk to knock your girlfriend down the stairs and not even notice!

I think probably the worst though was in his solo book when he was parading around town with a floozy on each arm and she came uptown to see what he was up to. Now, he's really just trying to draw out Goldface (that's what Tora thinks, anyway, and I agree even though Guy doesn't actually say yes or no), but when she asks him about it, he tells her that she's just jealous because he's hanging around with women who are better-looking than her. That's not just kicking her when she's down. That's knocking her down, kicking her, and jumping up and down on her.

Guy still had brain damage back then, of course. I can't imagine Guy saying those things to anybody he even remotely likes now, let alone the woman he professes to love. But it doesn't change the fact that it happened, and that it's pretty blatant emotional abuse. I don't think I've ever actually talked to anyone who opposes Guy/Tora as a pairing for this reason, though. It seems that most people either like the pairing, or are just indifferent to it because they don't really care about Guy and Tora as characters, anyway. Compare and contrast that with the Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne situation. Guy was brain damaged and had a repeated pattern of emotional abuse with his girlfriend. Hank was in the middle of a nervous breakdown, and hit his wife once, with no pattern of, or even any hints of, abusive behavior of any kind before or after the incident in question. Guy gets off without much comment, and many folks (me included) desperately want to see them get back together. Hank gets bitterly lambasted for the entire rest of his existence as a character, and half the internet froths at the mouth when they get back together every so often.

On the one hand, I think it's good that we react with anger when a man hits a woman. As much as I despise knee-jerk reactions (particularly when they demonize one person or group of people immediately), at least it's a sign that most people realize that domestic abuse should not be tolerated by us as a society. But on the other, I think it also shows just how little we recognize or care about forms of abuse that don't leave physical scars. I'm willing to bet that most of us already know a man or woman who sticks around with a significant other who says terrible things to them and makes them feel really bad about themselves. Or who controls them in an unfair way (bursting into tears over little things to get their way, threatening to leave them over really trivial things, etc.). If you happen to be a close friend of the person in question, you probably try to convince them of the futility of the relationship, because you hate seeing your friend get hurt. But in general, I think we tolerate this sort of behavior far too much. It's harder to see how things like this hurt a person, and how they affect them long-term. But they certainly do.

And yet, I do desperately want to see Guy and Tora together again. Now that his brain is fixed, I really believe that he'd make a great husband and father if they choose to have kids (and I think they will). I suppose the fact that he's not a greasy spot on the pavement is another check in the "Bea secretly likes Guy" column, because if anyone else had treated Tora that way, I suspect Bea would have reacted a lot more violently than just tossing insults his way.

Hank and Jan? There was a time when I would have loved to see them get back together and I think it could have worked out wonderfully, but too many writers have dredged up the past too many times since then, and Hank's recovery in the pages of West Coast Avengers has been all but forgotten. Assuming he isn't dead (I know he was skrull-swapped) or that he comes back to life if he is dead, I'd like to see him with someone eventually... but maybe not Jan. Jan, too, I'd like to see with someone, but I don't think she ever had a good relationship with anyone but Tony Stark, and that was only for one issue. Too bad it was right after she divorced Hank, when he was rotting in jail for something he wasn't really responsible for and when the blow would hurt the most. Huh. That has too many echoes of Hal/Kari and Guy for my tastes.

Pietro and Crystal? Assuming he ever stops being batshit insane... no. A thousand times no. I never liked Crystal, admittedly, but they're just not a very compatible pair. Crystal is childish and selfish, and Pietro is... Pietro. I'm honestly not sure that he would be compatible with anyone except maybe, uh, his sister. And that's only because she would forgive him anything, which also tends to make for a bad relationship even if you're not talking incest. I still can't believe that The Ultimates actually went there (and that everyone but Cap seemed to think it was cool).

Hal and Carol? Never liked it. In fact, I just don't think Hal ought to attempt to date anyone seriously. It just... doesn't fit. I like Arisia, but she needs to stop hanging out with Yat (who is way too much like Hal) and hook up with Kilowog. I don't care for Cowgirl, but that's just my personal opinion. I can't imagine him getting married or even moving in with a woman for very long. He wouldn't mean to run her off, but... he has a way of getting and staying preoccupied by everything but his relationship.

The Selfish Jordan Family

Well, this has been a long time in coming. Originally, my Livejournal was only intended for fiction, but I often get the urge to post my thoughts about stuff, and I realized that I would really rather have a separate place to do that. Thus, this. If you've a hankering for fic, particularly DCU/Green Lantern stuff, you can find it at Towards Twilight. If you want to listen to me babble, you're in the right place.

It would be fitting if my first post was about Guy Gardner, but you know, a thought occurred to me the other day and it won't leave me alone. I was reading the conclusion to Aranel Took's Green Lantern elseworlds pirate epic Pirates of the Emerald Dawn the other day, and the topic of Hal Jordan's selfishness came up late in the story in a way that I will not spoil for you. Now, I do bash on Hal a bit from time to time because it's just so easy, but I like to think that I'm capable of appreciating his character for what it is. It's refreshing to have a hero whose flaws are so apparent -- and Hal is very real, unlike some other heroes I could name. Don't we all know someone like Hal Jordan? Charismatic despite his flaws, well-intentioned even when he's wrong, etc?

Hal isn't selfish in the sense that he would let a bunch of orphans burn because he doesn't want to mess up his pretty (oh so pretty) hair. Of course not. If he was, he wouldn't be a hero. No one could accuse him of cowardice, or say that he hasn't given and sacrificed a hundred times over for the good of other people.

His selfishness is more on a personal level, and a lot of it stems from his more dominant nature, I think. He's the sort of person who makes decisions for other people without consulting them. "This is what's best for you." He might be doing it out of actual concern for the other person, but that doesn't change the fact that he's taking the decision out of their hands without regard for their personal feelings. Remember when he and Arisia were living with John and Katma? Excuse me, living off of them? Yeah, that's selfish. I don't care if you can't get a job as a test pilot -- when you're mooching off of someone else, you get a job at McDonald's if you have to. (Besides, didn't Hal have experience doing other weird things, like truck driving?) For that matter, a lot of Hal's entire relationship with Arisia is riddled with selfishness and bad judgment. Even in the end, when he returned to speak with her at Warriors and offered her a return to the way things were, it might seem like a nice gesture, but he had to have been completely disregarding her feelings to even ask such a thing. It was like asking her to forget everything that he had done, and everything that had happened between them, because none of that was important so long as he fixed stuff, right?

Similarly, there's The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan. He manipulated Tom. Put the Kalmaku family in danger. And for what? Because he felt bad. It's like breaking someone's vase through your own blatant negligence (not just a simple accident) and thinking you can make up for it by taping it back together with duct tape. There, I fixed it. We're cool now, right?

But my thought was: look at his parents. In general, I would label them pretty good as far as parents go -- and certainly they were better than Rolly and Peggy Gardner, or the absent Aaron Rayner! Hal loved them. They raised him to be a reasonably well-adjusted, confident young man.

But they were both selfish in their own ways, too. There's nothing wrong with a father encouraging his son's loves, or being a hero to his child. But there's definitely something wrong with encouraging (even passively) your child to be late for, or skip school, just so he can hang out with you. Maybe Martin Jordan enjoyed being hero-worshipped just a little too much. And he was certainly unselfish when he took that plane down away from the crowd, but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't exactly a responsible parent. The impression I get of him is that he was a lot like Hal turned out to be as an adult: arrogant but very charismatic.

Hal's mother is the one who really gives me fits, though. She did a lot that deserves respect. Raising three boys alone, particularly when Hal was one of those boys, is no easy task, so hats off to her for that. And it's perfectly understandable to be afraid, maybe even terrified, of losing a son the same way you lost a husband.

But to attempt to smother your child's hopes and dreams completely? That's... horrible. I don't even have words for how horrible that is, though I tried hard to capture it in The Wild Blue. What makes it worse is that planes were what Hal associated with his father. Cutting him off from his dreams was like cutting him off from all the memories he had associated with the parent he lost. And while it also might be understandable to restrict him a little as a child (particularly since Hal didn't seem inclined to actually listen very often and probably deserved that bit of discipline), it's completely out of line to forbid your child to do what he's always dreamed of doing once he's old enough to do it. Was it selfish of Hal to sneak off in the middle of the night and join the Air Force anyway? Sure. But should he have had to resort to that? No. Of course no mother wants to see her child die for any reason, but I think it's fairly obvious that her desire to restrict him was born more from a fear wrapped up in herself -- a fear of how it would make her feel if he were to die. Or maybe even a fear of the fear itself -- which she would no doubt feel every time he went up in a plane.

Keeping with those restrictions on her very deathbed, though... that's what really takes the cake. She's dying. She knows she's dying. She's known that it was going to happen for a while now. And she still can't bear to see him so long as she knows he's in the Air Force. Once she dies, it's over for her. No more worries, no nothing, and she had to have known that. But Hal is going to have to live with these memories, without having any closure with his only remaining parent, for the rest of his life. That is, unless he gives up the life he loves the most.

So Hal gets it honest. Maybe it was a good thing that Hal was selfish in regards to the Air Force, though. Can you imagine what life would have been like for him if he had respected his mother's wishes and suppressed his dreams to make her happy? Squeezing the life out of a young Hal Jordan... like squeezing an orange dry.

And that brings with it another thought: what would have been different if the Lanterns' origins were switched around? What if Guy had been the one with the father who died in a crash and the mother who couldn't get over it? Would he have rebelled like Hal did, or wither away in response to his mom's wishes, or something else entirely? What if Hal had grown up in an abusive home... or as an only child with a father who was presumed dead? What if Kyle had Hal or Guy's origin instead?

No love for John, I'm afraid: we're still waiting for a real origin story for him. Maybe his life was just very normal and angst-free in comparison to the other three.